Comparing perspectives: Trainer/Model and Input

[Joseph Turner]

Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: 

>
>AI training issues are a novel area of legal issues.  It may well be the case
>that the model is indeed a derivative work of its inputs.
>

I agree with Bradley's point that we should not constrain our ethical considerations to existing copyright law. One question underlying the definition of a derivative work is important: "How do you feel about the possibility that someone else can take the copylefted work that you freely shared with the world and use it to train an AI model which will be used to produce proprietary black boxes?"

Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: 
>
>AI training issues are a novel area of legal issues.  It may well be the case
>that the model is indeed a derivative work of its inputs.
>
>One of there reasons I point to the GCC RTL in this discussion (and I'm
>surprised no one here has picked up on this) was to hint at the potential
>opposing side of my position — perhaps some people *do* think that an
>AI-assist-training Additional Permission is needed *specifically* so that
>what GitHub does at the training moment is permissible.  IOW, some may feel
>that freedom zero / “field of use” demands that copyleft be narrowed in this
>area of AI for moral/ethical reasons.  I'm not arguing that for myself — as I
>think as an ethical and moral position (regardless of what the license says),
>that AI models ought to be under copyleft.
>
>I only bring up the obvious opposing argument explicitly to note that the
>moral/ethical question must come first, and only *then* a discussion of what
>copyleft currently does, and *then* a decision of whether copyleft rules
>yield the right argument.
>
>Regardless of what your position is on that issue, the more important point
>is that we should avoid letting what is true, or is not true, or what might
>be true/not-true about copyright law and/or copyleft decide the moral and
>ethical questions for us.  Copyleft is a tool and strategy; not a principle.
>--
>Bradley M. Kuhn - he/him
>Policy Fellow & Hacker-in-Residence at Software Freedom Conservancy
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