<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>On Fri, Jul 25, 2025 at 9:50 AM Ben Cotton <<a href="mailto:bcotton@funnelfiasco.com">bcotton@funnelfiasco.com</a>> wrote:</div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Thu, Jul 24, 2025 at 9:20 PM Bradley M. Kuhn <<a href="mailto:bkuhn@ebb.org" target="_blank">bkuhn@ebb.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I otherwise like the Contributor Covenant. I just don't think it's a good<br>
> idea for various reasons for Richard or me to enforce the CoC, and I note<br>
> the Contributor Covenant says that "Community Leaders" are responsible<br>
> for enforcement. 🤔<br>
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Can you say more about your concerns here? In my experience, CoC<br>
enforcement works best when it comes from people who are leaders in<br>
the community because they have (generally) earned the respect of the<br>
community*. Having an "outsider" handle enforcement can lead to<br>
resentment from the community, and can also mean that the person<br>
(ideally people) making decisions lack context of the day-to-day<br>
interactions in the project.<br>
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As much as I hate to ask anyone to do CoC enforcement work, because<br>
it's unpleasant, I do think you and Richard are the two<br>
best-positioned people to do it, perhaps with a third person to<br>
provide coverage when one of you is off-grid for a while, etc.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm not sure I agree with bkuhn on the idea of "a CoC for copyleft-next that designates a specific</div>enforcement agent — who is not too closely tied to the project to avoid<br>conflict of interest but who cares enough about the project to be responsive<br>when problems start early", for the reason given by Ben above. The main concern I have with me and bkuhn enforcing the CoC is that we need some mechanism to subject ourselves to the CoC too, which ought to mean enforcement (in that case) by someone else, though I think that someone else should be drawn from the copyleft-next community, such as it is.</div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container">However, I'd be curious to learn about projects that have used an outside CoC enforcement agent successfully. </div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container">Richard</div></div>